Surprisingly High Comp For A Harlem Townhouse Shell

Posted on April 7, 2010 by BeatingUpwind

Harlem Bespoke just pointed out that 11 West 119th Street sold recently – for $400,000! That might seem like a low price, but actually it’s a surprisingly high price. The building is 14′ x 38′ on a shallow 65′ lot. 14′ x 38′ x 4 stories = approx. 2,128 sq. ft. So the cost per square foot was $188/sq. ft. By contrast we bought ours a few blocks away for $118/sq. ft. If 11 West 119th had sold for our price per square foot the price would have been $250,000. The final asking price was $450K. I’m not sure why the buyer only got $50K off final asking when most people buying similar properties tend to get $150-200K off asking. (For example, we got $265K off what they were asking when we started bidding).

During our search we went through the one 2 doors down – 7 West 119th Street. It was fully renovated with some high end finishes (Sub Zero fridge, but just “better than rental” cabinetry). It wound up selling for $1.0983M. It’s hard to figure out the square footage of #7. Officially it’s 2,794 sq. ft. so it officially sold for $393/sq. ft. However, the City has it’s length at 47′ when all it’s sibling neighbors are officially 38′. I don’t remember it being pushed out in the back and the permit they pulled said no enlargement was proposed. It’s on a lot with a diagonal back line – one side it’s 54′ deep, the other it’s 58′ deep. I remember the back yard basically being a small deck, but it the short side was definitely more than 7′ feet long. So I really think the square footage of #7 is smaller and more inline with it’s neighbors. On top of everything else they did a double height living room so it was probably under 2,000 of real square feet. If it were 2,000 sq. ft. then the price per square foot would have been $549/sq. ft. which is way over what the other comps support. By comparison the incredible one on Strivers’ Row went for $505/sq. ft.

11 West 119th is a SMALL townhouse that shouldn’t be made into more than a single family home (#7 was made into a 2 family with a tiny studio apartment and I think it was a mistake). It’s not not in a historic district (though it is literally adjacent to a one). It’s steps from East Harlem where values are somewhat lower. It’s across the street from (relatively nice) public housing. So I’m not seeing how the property commanded $188/sq. ft. But with both #7 and #11 selling way over what the comps support — apparently they’re smoking really good over at that end of West 119th Street! 😉

No matter – this is a great comp for those of us who own townhouses. Be happy! And for the new owners of #7 and #11 West 119th Street – the values will go up in the coming years and they’ll still make money when they sell.

But honestly – if you’re looking to buy a Harlem townhouse shell – get a damn good real estate broker and a subscription to Property Shark that includes comps and really get to know what things are actually selling for (as opposed to what they’re listed for). A Property Shark membership is WAY cheaper than overpaying for real estate.

Looking For A Shell In Harlem? Check out 243 West 120th Street

Posted on April 3, 2010 by BeatingUpwind

After we took the first look at the place we wound up buying, we noticed 243 West 120th Street and had our broker get us in even though it wasn’t officially on the market. I really liked this building. We bid on it, but our bid wasn’t accepted. It’s now officially back on the market and the price has been reduced to $795K. If you’re looking for a shell I think it’s one of the most interesting townhouses on the market – and possibly one of the best investment properties – if you can get it for the right price.

There are two big things the building has going for it. First, location – it’s practically in the heart of all the redevelopment and buzz that’s happening in South Harlem. Walk across St. Nicholas Avenue and you’re in the middle of everything that’s hot and trendy in Harlem – Nectar wine bar, Moca Lounge, etc. And it’s also close to the A,B,C and D trains at 125 – so it’s just 1 stop from 59th Street.

The second thing the building has going for it are its development possibilities. You can (and probably should) invest a $1 million in this building, and when you’re done it’ll be worth more than you put into it (if you’re smart about how you spend the money). Because most of the lot is within 100 feet of St. Nicholas Ave, it has a FAR just under 6 (which means you can expand the building far bigger than you can other townhouses that have a 3.44 FAR), and it’s got a C1-4 commercial overlay, so you can have the option of a commercial tenant on the ground floor (but it has to be one that services the immediate neighborhood).

It’s currently a 4 story building. If I were buying the building I’d push the back wall back to maximize square footage and add two partial floors on top. I’d configure it with three units. Because the building is only 17 feet wide you don’t really want to make it more than 3 family. The basement would be one unit with the possibility of a commercial tenant. The parlor floor could be a two bedroom apartment, and the top two existing floors plus the two floors I’d add would be a large quadraplex. You could step back each of the additional floors and allow for outdoor terraces making the quadraplex an incredible space with tremendous outdoor space…

In the picture above you can see that there is an alley along the west side of the building. There are a number of existing windows in that wall. The rules about lot line windows apply, but it’s a great to have windows in your bathrooms and a wall you can exhaust vents out of.

As you can see the façade and the stoop need a lot of work. But as you move inside the original floors and a some original details are still intact…

243 West 120th Street top floor

(click on any image to see a bigger version of it)

I have to say going through the building was a bit unsettling. There were clothes and sleeping bags left over from when homeless used to live in the building. The staircase was a bit rickety, and there was a dead cat in the basement. But all of those things are easy to fix.

While you can buy this building and not expand it beyond it’s current 3,400 sq. ft. it’s best if you plan on making the building substantially larger. The construction will be pretty expensive given that you’ll want to add two floors and push the rear wall back, and you may need to reinforce the foundation to support the additional floors and you might want to lower the floor in the cellar – none of which comes cheap. But given the area, you can spend the money and have it come back to you.

In terms of price it’s currently at $795K. Townhouses typically sell for around $200K off their asking prices, so I’d guess it’ll sell for around $600K, maybe a bit higher. $600K would be $176/sq. ft. which is high for a shell, but the location and development possibilities explain why it’s at the high end for a shell. Even if you spent $200/sq. ft. renovating it (no expansion) you’d still be under $400/sq. ft. which is supported by the comps. If you want to expand the building I think you’ll find that cost effective as well.

I should also say something about the tax situation. The taxes are quite high – $9,664/year. Most townhouses pay about 1/3rd that amount. The current owner sorta messed up. He should have pulled a permit to convert it to 2-3 family, started construction, and gotten Department of Finance to reclassify the building and bring the taxes down. This is actually a good example of what I was talking about in the previous post – you don’t want to convert this building to 4 (+) family because the taxes will remain high and the additional rental income may not cover the higher taxes. 2 or 3 family makes a lot more sense in this case. If you can get it reclassified as 2 or 3 family, then the assessed value will drop to $10,200 (6% of the market value of $170K), which is far lower than the current transitional assessed value of $72,990. The taxes on $10,200 would be $1,745 – nearly $8K less than what’s being paid now. DOF will up the market value because you’re doing work on the building, but you’ll still pay substantially less than what’s being paid now.

It’s probably worth mentioning that we bid $575K on it back in November 2009 and it was rejected – we were told we weren’t even close. I would have gone up to $600K and possibly a bit higher if we had access to the money, but the ‘no’ was so resounding we never went back with another bid. It wouldn’t surprise me if the owner currently feels a bit firm at $795K, so it could take some negotiation to get the price you want…

Whether you get this building or another I recommend you have a real estate broker who’s an aggressive negotiator. Norman Horowitz (the listing agent) is a good guy, but I wouldn’t go to him directly since you will be wanting to negotiate a significant amount off the asking price. If you’re looking for a tough negotiator who really works for her clients, we recommend Maria McCallister of Barak Realty – she’s proven herself to us in both the sale of our apartment and the purchase of our townhouse.

Upper End Of Harlem Townhouse Market Is Doing Better

Posted on March 9, 2010 by BeatingUpwind

If you own a townhouse in Harlem you’ll be happy to hear that the market has hit bottom and is now starting to go back up. A few months ago I pulled a list of Harlem townhouses that had sold over $1M and the list was pretty short (only 5), the highest price was just under $1.7M and the price per square foot was pretty miserable. PRIME locations like Strivers’ Row were getting in the mid-$300s/sq. ft. and ones that needed significant TLC on decent blocks (like Hamilton Terrace) were selling for just under $300/sq. ft.

Well, if you bought at those prices I think you bought at the bottom of the market. Things are much better now. The number of sales over $1M has doubled to 10 for the past 6 months and at least one of the properties is back over $500/sq. ft.

And here they are…

262 W 139 St (Strivers’ Row) – $1.85M, 3,660 sq. ft., $505/sq. ft., two family with an owner’s triplex over a ground floor rental – This place is ABSOLUTELY IMMACULATE. It was an over the top renovation planned back when you couldn’t help but make money flipping townhouses in Harlem. Things didn’t go very well for the developer/seller, but the new owner has a stunning place to live (with a garage!)
14 W 120 St (Mt. Morris) – $1.385M, $3,37 sq. ft., $456/sq. ft. – 18′ 4 story brick townhouse literally across the street from Marcus Garvey Park. SRO restricted. HPD says it has one class A apartment and 9 class B rooms. For some reason DOB has it classified as 4 family, but is aware it’s SRO restricted.
116 W 120 St – $1.485M, 3,636 sq. ft., $408/sq. ft. – 20′ 4 story painted limestone townhouse. Surprisingly this is an SRO restricted old law tenement. HPD says there is one class A apartment and 6 class be “rooms”. DOB still classifies it as an old law tenement, but doesn’t realize it’s SRO restricted.
7 W 119 St (just outside the Mt. Morris Historic District) – $1.098M, 2,794 sq. ft., $393/sq. ft. – This was a shell and was recently gut renovated with an uneven mix of high end and low end finishes. We went through it. The building is one of the smallest townhouses you’ll see – 14′ x 47′. The rooms in it are TINY and the “back yard” is just a small deck. Our couch wouldn’t come close to fitting in the living room. It’s a technically a 2 family since there’s a VERY small studio apartment in the front half of the ground floor. I have no clue how they’ll rent such a small space. It should have been made into a single family. In my opinion the buyer over paid, but that’s a good sign as far as the market goes.
106 W 118 St – $1.275M, 3,400 sq. ft., $375/sq. ft. – 17′ x 49′ 4 story brownstone. It’s a legal 3 family, that was converted about 10 years ago.
15 W 122 St (Mt. Morris) – $1.375, 4,180 sq. ft., $328/sq. ft. – 18′ x 53′ 4 story brownstone. This is technically an SRO. HPD shows it having one class A apartment and 8 class B rooms. However, DOB shows it has being an SRO-restricted 2 family.
590 W 152 St – $1.2M, 3,744 sq. ft., $320/sq. ft. – 16′ x 52′ 4 story limestone townhouse with a C1 commercial overlay on it’s zoning. Like the last one, HPD shows it having one class A apartment and 8 class B rooms. However, DOB shows it has being an SRO-restricted 2 family.
76 Edgecombe Ave – $1.436M, 4,611 sq. ft., $311/sq. ft. – This is a lovely 19′ brick townhouse on a corner lot. There would be incredible light in the building since the long wall faces south (too much for my tastes, but I know others like southern exposures). It’s a completely legal 4 family with no SRO restrictions.
226 Lenox Ave (Mt. Morris) – $1.25M, 4,932 sq. ft., $253/sq. ft. – A very grand 20′ brick townhouse that was a former funeral parlor. Curiously this is technically a rooming house with no apparent SRO restrictions – somehow with the funeral parlor in there they avoided SRO status. In addition to the funeral parlor there are 2 class A apartments.
146 W 136 St – $1.1M, 4,590 sq. ft., $239/sq. ft. – 17′ x 56′ 4 story townhouse. It shows as 3 family, but DOB is still showing it as SRO-restricted (probably an error). The new C of O was just issued a year ago, so this is newly renovated. This was an incredible deal. The weird part is I can’t find any record of it having been for sale, so there has to be more to this than you can see at first glance.

So there you have it – the top sales for the past 6 months for Harlem townhouses. Considering that just about every week a townhouse will sell in Brooklyn for over $2M, that’s sorta a sad lot by comparison, but at least things are better than they were a few months ago.

Where things are selling…

It’s also interesting to note that none of the sales were in Hamilton Heights / Sugar Hill. 6 of the 10 were south of 125th in and around the Mt. Morris Historic District. Given that our place is in the same area the good news is that we’ll have no problem with the future value appraisal for our rehab loan. It would seem our place will be worth about $400/sq. ft. when it’s completed.

Prices on shells will go up too…

That brings up another point… The sum total of all of these numbers is that when the top end of the market goes up, everyone goes up. Let’s take our case. When we were bidding I was thinking our place would be worth maybe $325-350/sq. ft. when it was done. So if we put $150-200/sq. ft. into it I had to subtract that from the finished value for things to make sense. We bought at $122/sq. ft. so we’d be safe no matter how you looked at it (provided the market didn’t continue to go down). Now that the top number is $400/sq. ft. things are significantly better.

I still think the biggest risk are the ones in the middle that need more work than you might think. It’s still easy to over pay for those properties. The best bets are shells and ones that are recently renovated.

Buy now! Buy low!

Unless there’s more economic turbulence, I’m firmly convinced now is the time to buy a Harlem townhouse. The trick is finding one in a decent area, without SRO issues, where they’ll sell low.

Hamilton Heights Comp – 505 West 144th Street

Posted on March 6, 2010 by BeatingUpwind

505 West 144th Street, Hamilton Heights, Harlem This townhouse is one that we kept coming back to. There were times when we thought we might not be able to afford to get a townhouse and when those times came up 505 West 144th Street was always one of the ones we’d bring up that we could afford. In many ways it was the financially safe option.

When we were looking at it it was priced at $679K. Last month it finally sold for $425K. When we were bidding on it we went as high as $430K and they came down to $450K but then we withdrew our bid completely after spending an evening walking around the street. Even though it was just across Amsterdam Avenue from one of the best blocks in Harlem it was a remarkably rough block. The time we walked the block at night while we were bidding, it was summer, the windows were open and the salsa and merengue music was blaring from the windows. We realized that while the house itself had potential, the block didn’t have that much potential. It was never going to be a “good” block – at least not in the next 15 or 20 years. That would always limit the price of this townhouse, so we stopped budding on it. A few months later we second guessed our decision not to proceed on it so we walked the block again. This time as Dan was walking down one side of the street and I was walking down the other side, two “low income” women were yelling at each other and just about got into a fist fight as Dan passed them. He didn’t feel safe and that was absolutely the end of our thinking about 505 W 144.

On the plus side, the apartment building on the other side of the street and down a bit is where George Gershwin lived for a number of years, and there are 3 or 4 large apartment buildings on the block that have been designated part of an economic development zone and are getting 10-20 years of no real estate taxes in exchange for being redeveloped. One rooming house on the block has been gutted and turned into a condo and one building has been turned over to it’s tenants and is now a co-op. So the block is improving, but it’s still far from what we were looking for.

Here are the details…

Sale Price: $425,000
Sale Date: 5 February 2010
Square Feet: 3,468
Price Per Sq Ft: $122
Dimensions: 16.5 x 52 (no extensions)
DOB Classification: 2 family
HPD Classification: 1 class A apartment + 9 class B rooms
SRO Restricted: YES with certificate of no harassment
DOF Market Value: $1.13M
Annual taxes (2010): $3,039

It’s interesting that we paid the identical price per square foot for our place that the buyer paid for 505 W 144th – $122/sq. ft. but we feel like we made the right choice buying our place over this one.

The question then is if someone purchased this building what’s the best usage? Given the block I’d say it should be a 3 family rental with unremarkable finishes. You’d want three family instead of 4 to keep the taxes low. The ground floor would be a floor through 1 bedroom garden apartment. The parlor floor would be a large studio apartment. On the parlor floor the staircase is a switchback in the center of the building. That limits the layout options, hence a studio apartment on that floor. However, there are some interesting original details that could be preserved. Then the top two floors would be a nice, large 2(+) bedroom unit. There are original details on the master/mistress level, but not much of any on the top floor.

Given the block, I don’t see an owner living in this townhouse. IMHO, it’s value is purely as a rather average rental property.

Rough numbers… I’d conservatively say $1500 for the garden rental, $1,000 for the parlor studio and $2,000 for the top two floors. So $4,500/mo in income or $54K/yr. Assuming $1K/mo goes to running the building ($taxes, utilities, etc.), you could support a mortgage of about $600K off the rental income. At 80% financing that means the max value after renovations is about $750K and they have about $325K for renovations.

Renovations are a bit challenging because the house absolutely reeks of piss and shit. A “caretaker” had lived there for a number of years and during that time he didn’t walk his dog very much and the dog just did it’s business in the house. That means all the wood floors have to be torn out, the floor in the basement chopped up, removed and repoured, and Urine Off used liberally throughout the house. There’s also a fair amount of mold on the top floor – so all the “new” sheetrock walls on that floor need to be torn out and replaced. The plaster walls on the other levels are mold-proof, so they’d be OK. The building also needs all new electrical, plumbing as well as completely new kitchens and baths. It’s pushing it to get all of that done for $325K and bring it all up to code to get the new C of O, which means it’s not going to be very high quality.

There are some interesting original details. The triple mirror just inside the front door was incredible. It could be a great place, but I doubt it ever will be…

Delapidated wreck of a bathroom in a Harlem townhouse Old mirror in a dilapidated townhouse in Harlem
Disgusting old kitchen in Harlem townhouse wreck Run down hallway in old Harlem townhouse wreck

The one funny story from seeing this house was when the seller’s broker (Jean Adams of Prudential Douglas Elliman) was going down the dark, filthy staircase between the parlor and basement levels. She was a woman who carried herself with a fair amount of dignity but she was wearing flats walking down a staircase that was covered in rat droppings and god knows what else. She very calmly said “Wait a moment, I’ve got something in my shoe”. She didn’t have socks or stockings on, so that meant she had gotten what was probably rat feces in her shoe against her bare skin. Given what she had to endure to show that house, I had huge respect for her. Of course, she could have dressed differently… I for one always wore boots with steel soles and toes when I went through houses like that…

259 West 139th Is An SRO, Not 2 Family…

Posted on November 18, 2009 by BeatingUpwind

I really don’t get real estate brokers sometimes. They get listings and just never try to understand them. In this case a broker for Sotheby’s is telling our broker that 259 West 139th Street (in Harlem’s prestigious Strivers’ Row) is a 2 family home when it’s actually an SRO (a Single Room Occupancy boarding house). In fact they even state the lie inaccurate information clearly on their own website (click the quote below to see an image of the full page it comes from)…

If you know anything about townhouses in New York that statement looks very suspicious… A two-family “currently configured as a rooming house”? Rooming houses are never “zoned” two family. And zoning has nothing to do with the number of families anyway – zoning has to do with the height, bulk and general use of the building.

So what exactly is 259 West 139th?

Let’s start with what the NYC Department of Buildings says… The DOB’s property profile for the building says it is “SRO Restricted”. If you follow the link on that page to see the certificate of occupancy for the building you see there is a C of O for the garage that was issued in January 1950, but no C of O for the main building (which is typical of older townhouses). There is one other C of O linked to that property, but it’s an error – a temporary C of O for a completely different building.

Next, let’s look at what the Department of Housing, Preservation and Development (HPD) says…

HPD's classification for 259 West 139th Street / Strivers' Row

The key thing to notice there is 0 “A Units”, 14 “B Units”. “A Units” are normal apartments, “B Units” are rooming house rooms. So 259 West 139th Street has no legal apartments and instead has 14 rooming house units. That means Sothebys is suggesting a illegal use of the space – you can’t rent an apartment that isn’t registered in some way with the City and DOB and HPD are the two ways to make an apartment legal.

So both DOB and HPD say the place is an SRO, ergo it’s an SRO.

When you head over to the Department of Finance you see a different story. There you see it’s building class C3 which stands for a 5-6 family home.

Department of Finance's classification of 259 W 139

Now, it’s typical for Department of Finance to get it wrong and in this particular situation it doesn’t make much of a difference since 5-6 family homes and SROs pay the same amount in taxes. But the point is if it were a 2 family home the owner would have it classified correctly with DOF since 4+ family homes pay 7 times the property tax as 1-3 family homes. That’s not an error you’d let slide for very long.

259 West 139 - Strivers' Row I am SO tired of real estate agents giving false and inaccurate information on their listings. It’s really not that hard to find out the truth. But it’s common for real estate agents to answer the question “Is there a certificate of no harassment in place?” with “the building can be delivered vacant”.

If you’re outside New York you’ll be excused for not knowing the absurdity of that answer but in the 1980s New York City went through a real estate boom and low income people were being evicted from their apartments and becoming homeless. Rooming houses are where the poorest people in New York live. If you lose your place at a rooming house there just aren’t any cheaper options and you wind up homeless. So in 1985 a moratorium was placed on conversions of rooming houses (SROs). A year or two later that was reworked so landlords who wanted to do an SRO conversion were required to get a “certificate of no harassment” where the City verified that the landlord didn’t force out or intimidate any tenants in the prior 3 years. You could also be turned down if there was an open violation for an illegal conversion.

Certificates of no harassment are vital for anyone buying an SRO and wanting to use it for something other than an SRO. It really doesn’t matter if it’s vacant and any licensed broker selling a townhouse should know that. And lying and saying it has a C of O that it clearly doesn’t have is completely inexcusable.

Thank god Property Shark and the City of New York put all the info online and make it easy to tell brokers they’re lying. It’s amazing how quickly their story changes when you say you’ve looked up the property up on Property Shark. Still, it’s a huge hassle that is completely avoidable. I feel sorry for the poor buyers who don’t understand how to find the information and learn the truth. If you don’t do your due diligence and you have a crappy lawyer who doesn’t do it either, it can devastate you financially.